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WildThang

Master Don Juan
posted 11-27-2001 07:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WildThang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AFCs fall in love all the time. They pine, dream, sweat, fantasise and generally drool over their special beloved. Who meanwhile is off fvcking lots of other guys.

So what's the deal? Here's a big secret for all you AFCs out there:

LOVE is a lie invented by women to make guys do what they want.

Isn't a guy in love the perfect AFC? He's attentive, he's 'kind', he's demonstrative, he gives a chick lots and lots and lots and lots of attention. He nobly sacrifices his feelings for her benefit. He sees her as the perfect princess (she believes) she really is. He apologises when she gets mad at him, *whether it's his fault or not.*

And all of that crap. Why do AFCs do this? Because men have been lied to. We have been told that when love is involved, people will do anything to make each other happy. And if you love someone then *of course* you want what's best for them. Which means they'd be stupid not to love you right back. Which in turn means you'll both get to be happy.

Riiiiiiiiiight.

We all know what really happens. Most women don't go for guys who 'love' them. They go for guys who excite them, frighten them, give them an adrenaline rush and can keep their little puzzies moist by acting like real men.

So why do AFCs *still* do it? Here's the real reason. All of that crap about a woman's specialness, uniqueness, all of that is a crock - AFCs do this *because they believe quality puzzy is impossible to find.* Especially for them. So they either try to buy it with attention. Or they don't try at all. They don't have the confidence to do a man's job on it. When their balls get busted, they fall apart because they realise that *they cannot do a man's job.* They have completely bought the women's line that there is not enough puzzy to go around, and it's a woman's job to ration it. (Which of course means none for the AFCs, who are really sweet, and if this woman wasn't already seeing someone else, then maybe...)

And that, guys, is what 'love' is all about. Under the romance and the dreaminess is white-knuckle terror that they can't look after themselves and go for what they want like real men do. If a chick takes an interest in them - alleluia! No more white knuckle rides. How can they not 'love' someone like that?

The downside is - the woman now has them completely by the balls. This is very bad. It is much worse than you can even begin to imagine.

But... there is a cure for this chumpdom, and it is the theory and practice of DJhood. On the road to mastering the DJ way you will discover many things. Some of the most important is that you *can* get the puzzy you want. And that no woman is truly unique. And that there are literally millions of women out there who will give up the loser they are currently with for a quality guy like you.

But most of all you will learn that if you start playing the love game the old AFC way and 'having feelings' for a woman any time before she's earned exclusivity by making your life a paradise, you are *out* on your ass before you've even started.

So *forget* the AFC approach of getting exclusive on a woman before you've even started dating. That is a guaranteed plane crash to burning loserville hell. Whether you want easy sex or an LTR, the way to get it is to date a lot, with lots of women at the same time, and don't even think about playing keepers with the ones that don't make you happy.

It's your choice, not theirs. If they don't like it - there *really are* millions of other women out there. Why should you waste time on someone who's sapping your time and enery and giving you nothing but pain and grief and frustration when you could be putting that energy into finding and being with someone else who's way more fun?

If you are an AFC you will either be thinking at this point that Wildthang is evil and sexist and has *no idea* about real love, especially not the sort you're now feeling. Or perhaps, if you're a less terminal case, you'll be thinking that you get it now, and everything will be cool from now on.

Not so fast. These delusions of 'love' are persistent. They have been sown deep in your mind. As soon as you start dating, women will do everything they can to yank the strings that lead to them.

You *must* resist. You must learn to stand your ground, and not fall into the old ways. You must believe - absolutely, unquestioningly, without thinking - that the DJ quest for women is something you do for you, and you alone.

And that's when you can start to have some real fun.

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Keymaster of Goza

Master Don Juan
posted 11-27-2001 07:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Keymaster of Goza     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Amen brother, AMEN!!

Show them THE LIGHT

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Dr_Feelgood

Master Don Juan
posted 11-27-2001 07:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dr_Feelgood     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great Post. Couldn't have come at a better time for me. Puts things back in perspective. Thanks WildThang!

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SC

Master Don Juan
posted 11-27-2001 08:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great Post I love it--My fookin Life story LOL that WAS my past Not any more though--The pain made me open and enter the door to Djdom. I wont allow myslef to be screwed anymore and this post describes exactly why.

I went from a one guy / one gal to a one guy /5 women LOL

luvin it

NFC

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Take No Dirt

Master Don Juan
posted 11-27-2001 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Take No Dirt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wild Thang, you make my heart sing! Lalala....

Excellent post, Wild Thang! One of the best I've ever read; one that is guaranteed to rid us of the infatuation/obsession/crush thingy for good.

I gotta take my Paul Anka CD song "One Woman Man" and jettison it into the Hudson River!

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JPFromTally

Master Don Juan
posted 11-27-2001 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for JPFromTally     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wildthang is right on the money on this. How many of us have had a girlfriend in the past hurt us in some way or another and when we broke up with them gave us the line, "If you really loved me and your love is unconditional you would forgive me."

Love is often used as an excuse used by guys when a woman walks all over them. Yet, most of the time their love is really mistaken for the ability to have consisten poontang. A good relationship with a woman should always be something that is beneficial for a man. When that ceases to exist the man should exit the relationship immediately.

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Don the Legend

Master Don Juan
posted 11-27-2001 10:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Don the Legend     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good Post WildThang!

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Wyldfire

Master Don Juan
posted 11-27-2001 10:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wyldfire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With your circular thinking no woman is unique. Wouldn't that also mean that no man is unique? No wonder there are so many angry lesbian feminists.

Why on earth do people allow themselves to become tools to spread further anger and hatred between the sexes?

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BubbaDaPimp

Don Juan
posted 11-27-2001 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BubbaDaPimp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Terminal Case who has repented, Okay lemme run this past ya... im a very religious guy who believes in monogomy, so does that mean I have to fall for this ****? hell no!


Theres no Way im going to believe in this love **** anymore, I will no longer be controlled by a woman.. if I get married to one then we can talk about love LOL.. I stil dont think Ill believe that ****.

Newest 4F club member
Bubba

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Hay how come I wanta makem feel so good and I still cant standem?

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Take No Dirt

Master Don Juan
posted 11-27-2001 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Take No Dirt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wyldfire:
With your circular thinking no woman is unique. Wouldn't that also mean that no man is unique? No wonder there are so many angry lesbian feminists.

Why on earth do people allow themselves to become tools to spread further anger and hatred between the sexes?



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Me: The battle between the sexes has heated up somewhat with this broadside volley of Wyldfire's.

If women will stop trying to control men, this world would be a better place to live in.

[This message has been edited by Take No Dirt (edited 11-27-2001).]

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BubbaDaPimp

Don Juan
posted 11-27-2001 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BubbaDaPimp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why wildfyre?, I can throw a biblical belief that you may or may not agree with,

A Righteous woman is hard to find.

that type of woman wont fvck your best friend
that type of woman wont lie about everything


otherwise women are manipulative liars, they lie about sex lives, they lie about love, they lie about everything as long as it gets them where they want.... I feel sorry for them later on, because they will get theirs, a lot do too.

thats why we have women with 2 children at the age of 20 that no Self respecting man would dream of considering!, why? because im smart enough to know she only wants me to take care of the bills.


Lesbian feminists are just chooseing a side and makeing things what they are right now.
Bubba

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Hay how come I wanta makem feel so good and I still cant standem?

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Wyldfire

Master Don Juan
posted 11-27-2001 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wyldfire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Take No Dirt:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Wyldfire:
[b]With your circular thinking no woman is unique. Wouldn't that also mean that no man is unique? No wonder there are so many angry lesbian feminists.

Why on earth do people allow themselves to become tools to spread further anger and hatred between the sexes?



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Me: The battle between the sexes has heated up somewhat with this broadside volley of Wyldfire's.

If women will stop trying to control men, this world would be a better place to live in.

[This message has been edited by Take No Dirt (edited 11-27-2001).][/B][/QUOTE]

Hey Dirt!

Well, if Wildthang is right, all women try to control men, because they are all the same. Now, I know for a fact that I don't do this, my oldest sister doesn't, my mother doesn't, many of my friends don't either.

If you were to read the first post on this thread but replace women with men it would sound eerily similar to male basing propoganda you'd find on a Feminist site. I'm just wondering what this kind of attitude solves? It doesn't. It's just going to make more and more angry and bitter women who play more and more games. That will make more and more bitter and angry men who play games. So when does it end? It won't until people smarten the hell up and stop blaming all of one gender for the lousy behavior of one or two. People are all unique and individual.

He's not even talking about love anyhow, he's talking about infatuation. He should have used that word instead of love. Infatuation is not healthy in large doses. Love is.

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Wyldfire

Master Don Juan
posted 11-27-2001 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wyldfire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BubbaDaPimp:
Why wildfyre?, I can throw a biblical belief that you may or may not agree with,

A Righteous woman is hard to find.

that type of woman wont fvck your best friend
that type of woman wont lie about everything


otherwise women are manipulative liars, they lie about sex lives, they lie about love, they lie about everything as long as it gets them where they want.... I feel sorry for them later on, because they will get theirs, a lot do too.

thats why we have women with 2 children at the age of 20 that no Self respecting man would dream of considering!, why? because im smart enough to know she only wants me to take care of the bills.


Lesbian feminists are just chooseing a side and makeing things what they are right now.
Bubba


Okay...so the only men who treat women properly are the guys in church? Men with bitter baggage are only out there using women to blame and take out pent up frustrations on for their past hurts.

I'm making a point by using your same overall opinion but applying it towards men instead. It's not my personal beliefs I've posted...just making a point.

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BubbaDaPimp

Don Juan
posted 11-27-2001 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BubbaDaPimp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
no wildfyre... hes talking about love, hes talking about what a woman throws into an AFC's face the first few minutes they start talking, "oh, Ive been looking for a nice guy ... all I get are jerks" then they kiss ass for a while, and love enters the conversation.... what does the AFC think?
"aww... I hope im being good enough for her, I hope I am everything she needs" this same guy has been lead to believe his whole life that women had no sexual needs, that they just did it to nurture men, who spreads this belief.... WOMEN, so a AFC says,... I better take it while I can.

yeah women admit to a little sexual tennancies, truth is they are even more sexual than men are, they just fvck around to keep themselves under control, they are thinking clearly and deliberately fogging a mans mind, then they get to sex after 3 months and he thinks "ive been nurtured, im in love... she released me" and then infatuation is created and used to control the man... okay so what if its not 3 months, either way thus the term used is "Whooped", in the name of love at this point an AFC will do anything and everything for the female, worship her, give her every penny to his name... and more.... what is she doing? well shes takeing time out to get her some on the side usually.

face it wildfyre how are we supposed to think any of you are honest when we wake up and notice a pattern.

It disturbs me that a preachers wife will swear on a stack of bibles that she doesnt masturbate, when in fact she does.... women lie to no end about anything, theres no way a woman could gain my trust accept through many years of proven honesty.

Bubba

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ESPN

Master Don Juan
posted 11-27-2001 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ESPN     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Agree with you WildThang

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"Only losers fall in love"

"How you do'ing" Joey Tribbiani

"Doesn't matter how you feel about the girl, but how you feel about you"
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[This message has been edited by ESPN (edited 11-27-2001).]

[This message has been edited by ESPN (edited 11-27-2001).]

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Take No Dirt

Master Don Juan
posted 11-27-2001 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Take No Dirt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The female mind is restless and becomes easily bored. It seeks out excitement and fantasizes about wild sex with men other than their current BF/hubby. To ease their boredom, women create chaos in men's lives. Not content with the status quo, girls play with guys' minds to see how much they can jerk them. It's all a terribly sadistic game and DJs of the world must unite to turn the tables on such conniving manipulative females.

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Wyldfire

Master Don Juan
posted 11-27-2001 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wyldfire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bubba...I don't doubt that there are plenty of women who pull the crap you mentioined. It works two ways, because men will also tell women what they think she wants to hear just to get a piece of tail. Both are wrong, dishonest and pretty low in my opinion.

The fact is...it IS infatuation that leads both men and women to get all googly eyed and say the mushy stuff to each other. Real love never comes that fast...that is a much deeper feeling that can only come from truly knowing someone over a period of time. During infatuation, often times, a person will begin to fall in love with a person. That's not love either. Being in love is all about how you feel about yourself when you are with that person. Love is the feelings you have FOR the other person, and they only come with time.

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Turbobird

Master Don Juan
posted 11-27-2001 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Turbobird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Damn good post! Exactly what I needed to hear. I think this should be in to the DJ-Bible.

/Turbobird

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BubbaDaPimp

Don Juan
posted 11-27-2001 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BubbaDaPimp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well men arent just going to sit around and be manipulated either wildfyre, although I do sincerely believe a couple can truly fall in love, if they are both honest with each other, men are lead to believe infatuation is love, true love is a rare thing if it does in truth excist at all... and women wouldnt drop a guy cold turkey in the midst of true love if it is indeed what is preached, truth is an AFC falls in love with a woman, a woman swears to fall in love with an AFC she dumps him a day later and treats him like ****. Men all they do is learn that what the women are doing is bull**** and then start playing along, and just not buying the bull****.

Bubba

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Hay how come I wanta makem feel so good and I still cant standem?

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Take No Dirt

Master Don Juan
posted 11-27-2001 12:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Take No Dirt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Women act, men react. If females didn't play with guy's minds, there would be NO need for this DJ sosuave.com web site in order to even the odds, i.e., to give males at least a fighting chance against conniving, manipulative, sadistic females.

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Wyldfire

Master Don Juan
posted 11-27-2001 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wyldfire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BubbaDaPimp:
well men arent just going to sit around and be manipulated either wildfyre, although I do sincerely believe a couple can truly fall in love, if they are both honest with each other, men are lead to believe infatuation is love, true love is a rare thing if it does in truth excist at all... and women wouldnt drop a guy cold turkey in the midst of true love if it is indeed what is preached, truth is an AFC falls in love with a woman, a woman swears to fall in love with an AFC she dumps him a day later and treats him like ****. Men all they do is learn that what the women are doing is bull**** and then start playing along, and just not buying the bull****.

Bubba


Isn't it better to be aware of the difference between infatuation and love rather than have a heart filled with bitterness? I have a real problem with women and men who contribute to this crap. We run into these people who do things to hurt other people because they are bitter and angry about being hurt. Everytime a woman or man goes out with this lousy mind set they just create another member of the opposite sex who is going to go out and hurt more people. It's a viscious circle and the reason so many people here have been hurt. It's better to be a part of the solution than a part of the problem. Yes, you all should be cautious and only give your heart to a person who truly deserves it, and not tolerate any crap. But you should NOT be going out and behaving in the same exact way you complain about others behaving. It's hypocritical.

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penkitten

Master Don Juan
posted 11-27-2001 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for penkitten     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
now everyone go download my fav mp3...outspoken "loveis for the weak"

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bigbob

Master Don Juan
posted 11-27-2001 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bigbob     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with Wyldfire. Just as no two men are alike, no two women are alike either. If you believe all the propaganda in the original post, then expect to lead a very lonely life, still here everyday asking for advice on how to pick up chicks (since you will have never had a meaningful loving relationship 'cause you believed all this junk and ended up pushing away any real potential love).

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Wyldfire

Master Don Juan
posted 11-27-2001 12:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wyldfire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So true, Bob.

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Persistant

Master Don Juan
posted 11-27-2001 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Persistant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Have to agree with Wyldfire as well, you're confusing infatuation with love, as has already been stated. Just cause some chump falls hard for some girl that doesnt reciprocate the same feelings or actions and calls it love, does not make it so. I know cause I was that chump at one time and the experience opened my eyes up and after that I've had alot more control. Its really just a simple mistake made by a naive person who is estatic that they've finally found someone who they believe likes them and they let their mind run rampant and play tricks with them. Its usually an affliction of the younger people but some never learn to pace themselves through relationships. I know lotsa people like this, a friend of mine, she would jump from one boyfriend to the next always believing each one was "the one" and the one she was going to marry, only after dating them for a month or so. To harbor a bitterness over this is rather immature and to simply not learn from your past is just plain stupid.

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